Thursday, April 18, 2013


Interesting linguistic links indicate early dog-horse semi-domestication Xyambuatlaya/Xambotlaya/Khambodiya/Siam-Athalaya/Khan+/Kampong(ma)laya/kampot/kamchatka/Bimbetke/Bimbache(Can Isle Hierra)/Himba(ghee hair matriarch, W Africa cattle herders)/Himalaya-Tibet/Thimbu(Bhutan river-capital) Biscayne/Vizcainya/ cave of Askondo (← aitz-ondo = (Basque) near the rock) 25ka red-painting of horse//Sunduki (black mountain, ideal plains-herd-hunt hill-top mesa (atalaya=watchtower/castlemount) Khakassia, Altai) 16ka white-carving of horse (Altaic people hut tipi-shaped ayyal (hex pyramid wood vs cf urt (tipi-yurt) of nomadic Tsatan people), sunduki/askondo/saluki/swat/semliki/baluchi Saluki (Pharaoh doggy)/Xolo-itzcuintli (/ʃoʊloʊ.iːtsˈkwiːntli/ SHOH-loh-eets-KWEENT-lee) Mex hairless jungle dog;Tepeizeuintli dingo = anjing(Mal) + gou(Ch) = anjingo... saluki/swatluki/xmuatluhi suatluki ~ semliki|||shamuatliki ~ shambuatlaya(molimoli/muatslimuatsli - askundwoki, swantluhi, sholocuintzli) Beleuka Altai(Rus white mtns?) baluchistan/Beluga(white)/luci-(light); lyse(loosen, untie/split); lykos(Grk wolf/lobo, lupus) byeluka(Rus white vs Rus black cher-/schwartz vs beltz(basque black, Malay gelap dark, bakar char)) yam/yaw: luba - bantu tribe south congo//lu - tai tribe in SW Yunnan//luo - Nilotic tribe pastoral//luorawetlan[loo-awr-uh-vet-luhn, lwawr-] - NE Siberia Chukchi/Koryak/kamchadal lang (proper man)//lubra - native name in Tasmania & Aust aborig girl-woman//bemba - bantu tribe Rhodesia, Afr (bembantu/bembache/bambuti)//belone (Grk) needle (balloon/balleen?) Nice post about the Sama and their practices with the placenta. Though I’ve lived and worked with Sama for quite sometime, I still admit to understanding little about their practices that involve the ancestors (mag’mbo’). I was in a discussion about it once though where they were connecting the placenta with the ancestors that they revere. The idea from my understanding is that once a year the mbo’ require a sacrifice that involves returning to the land you were born and offering a financial offering that is usually dropped in the ocean. Returning to the land you were born would make sense along the lines that it is the place where your placenta was disposed of. Sama Deya according to my wife would be horrified at the idea of putting the placenta in the ocean. For them it has to be buried, but it is definitely clear that in the Sama worldview much importance is put on the placenta and its connection to the spirit world. March 15, 2013 at 7:23 am Reply • Erik Abrahamsson Hi, thanks for you comment! Yes, the placenta plays an important role in Sama cosmology, throughout Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia … In Wakatobi I met the translator of the movie “The Mirror Never Lies”, a Sama man called Sadar, and he told me that it is still practise to put the placenta into the ocean after giving birth – and this is part of a ritual (the word “thrown” is probably wrong in this context, it should rather be “put into the ocean”). The practice to throw the placenta into the sea might be foreign for most Sama in Malaysia and Philippines, but we must keep in mind that the Sama group in southern Indonesia has been separated from their northern relatives for at least 100 years. Hence, it is not surprising that some elements in their belief systems are partly different. misogi(J)=ceremony of purification(in a river), e.g, the river Styx=Chiconauhpan(N)=river of the 9 vados/wadings[vase/vessel/punt~feet/punchwater] with boatman who rows one across to Mictlan), michimichi(J)=on one's way, as one goes along, all the way, e.g., one walks to Mictlan after the river crossing in company of a brown Xoloitcuintli[saluki/sh-(ua/oi)(t)luk(u) (earth/land) = tli/chi Mazatl(N/7)=deer,=matou(J)=wrap, wear, put on (matou~kudu(antelope)(fishbaskettrap)(coracle) cf enduerre (Latin) put on Austere = (Malay) haus: thirst balteus (grk) belt/girdle, (belt also beat related to bat/pukul/pugil/peal?) sith(Scot)=cú sith=cueitl(N)=skirt/dog=fairy cur/burial mound dog. ah, yes, Síle na gCioc (Irish)=Xilé na gCC(i)[tletl] 45k bce-10k bce, when we all were deer tribes following=Xolotl(N)=dogging Tlaloc Tesem(Egypt) =tececemelti(Nauatl)=funny, amenable, recreative, who likes people,= cecemetlia(N/freq.)=cemeltia(N)=play with someone, give them pleasure,= cemelli(N)=pleasure, happiness,=cemelle(N/adj/adv)before negative, e.g., aic cemelle(N)=with happiness, tranquility, lit., not alone,=ceme(N)= plural of ce(N)=one, e.g., cea(N)=not one,=say(E)=de-s/cea-r=desear(sp)= desire(E)=decir(sp),=Ce(r)nechi(Malta/Fra Abela, 1647)=Kelb-tal-Fenek, Pharoah hound of Malta,=Cirneco dell'Etna(Sicily)=Tsm/Tesem(Egypt)=first Pharoah dog, comestible, relieved as Pharoah dog by Saluki sight hound= Alco(N)=Techichi(N)=rock dog,=Tesem(Egypt)=Anubis(Egypt)=Xolotl(N)= Evening star, twin of Quetzalcoatl, son of wind weaver Venus shuttle/ xiotl(N)star, Ehecatl(N/2 Tonalamatl)/Hecate, Tobacco Deity of Mexico, and the Fool=Xolo=follow in Tarot=Taroc/Tarocco(Ital)=Tlaloc, rain Deity of Nomad Deer Age, 45k BCE-10k BCE, paired with St. Michael=Miquiztli(N/6 Tonalamatl)=Death Lord of dogs, and finally, the Devil. ...Abuwtiyuw/Abutiu(Egypt)=royal guard dog of the 6th dynasty, 2345-2181BC, died before 2182, buried sumptuously at Giza Necropolis, =Abuw-=Tlapoalli -tiyuw(Egypt)=-tiuhtli(N)= Tlapo-tiuhtli(N)=counted/tlapoalli tiuhtli/as Lord, for he was embalmed and buried as a Noble" {tletl} Kamchadal language (ethnonym: Itelmen cf luorawetlan, The Itelmens use the self-designation itenme'n-itelmen which means 'an inhabitant of dry land, a human being') is distantly related to Chukchi and Koryak, and together they form the Chukotko-Kamchatkan language family Kamchatka kamchadal/itelman(river settlement?) - labor was very clearly divided based on gender, though many tasks were shared. When fishing, the men and women paddled together, however only the men fished while the women performed all related tasks such as cleaning and drying the fish and collecting the eggs. In home construction, men performed all the wood work, digging and carpentry while the women performed the task of thatching the straw roof and cutting the straw with bone sickles made from bear shoulder blades. The women prepare the whole fish supply, except fermented fish and dog food, which is left to the men. The women perform all the tasks of gathering seeds, berries and fireweed, which is used as a type of tea. From grass they construct mats, bags, baskets and boxes for storage and transportation. Dog and reindeer skins are tanned, dyed and sewn into the various garments worn by men and women.[4]
Cathaya, the Chief Kingdome of Great Cam/Kublai Khan" to the northeast of China. On his map, he placed Xandu east of the "Cathayan metropolis" Cambalu
Khampa horseman in Kham region near Tibet

Tsaatan horsemen looping/yoking a horse

Tsaatan in front of urt (tripod-based tipi of skins, felt or birch bark)

A Tsaatan woman (also shaman) milking reindeer, note very small nose and large cheekbones
This photo of an Apatani women from India shows her tribal nose-plugs and tattoo, her epicanthic eyelids rise to her forehead [All photos from Tribal Asia, excellent book on Asian tribal traditions]

Xambotlaya/Ksyambodlia/Khampot/Thimbu/Himbalaya... Atalaya (Sp): watchtower Bones from about 1900 to 1700 B.C.—more than a millennium later than those examined by Kenoyer—make it clear that at least some Harappan residents were subjected to savage violence. The skull of a child between four and six years old was cracked and crushed by blows from a club-like weapon. An adult woman was beaten so badly—with extreme force, according to researchers—that her skull caved in. A middle-aged man had a broken nose as well as damage to his forehead inflicted by a sharp-edged, heavy implement. Mace wielding horsemen or road accident with horse carts? Siberia 3.5ma warmer, forested, no ice cap


DDeden said...
Al Magar (meeting place in Arabic, similar to Magyar/Hun and magal/magan shield Heb basque)) Arabia central river valley (now dry) has 9ka horse statue, to Botai near Crimea

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(from Hall of Maat, Jim Stinehart)

"Isn’t the connection to Amarna obvious? The Hebrews were trying to gain favor with Akhenaten by praising younger sons as deserving of the finer inheritance, just as Akhenaten was a younger son who ended up being Pharaoh. The reason why the Hebrews were trying to gain favor with Akhenaten in Year 14 is that they wanted Akhenaten to remove Yapaxu from power in the Ayalon Valley. The Hebrews shrewdly decided that the way to try to get Akhenaten to change his mind about Yapaxu, whom Akhenaten had officially named as the new princeling ruler in Gezer of the Ayalon Valley, was to focus on the fact that Yapaxu was a firstborn son, whereas his younger brother (who unlike Yapaxu did not hate tent-dwellers) would make a much better ruler of the Ayalon Valley.

T-h-a-t is why 7 of 7 firstborn sons in the Patriarchal narratives get the shaft and properly so: Haran, Lot, Ishmael, Esau, Reuben, Er, Manasseh."

Note that the valley of Ayalon/Ajalon is where Joshua stopped the sun, noted in the book of Jasher.
(Might link to Avalon, Xambotlaya/Khampatlan(d), Shambhala, Shangrila)

DDeden said...

Jacob d'Ancona: Jewish merchant-scholar travelled to China Zaitun just before Mongol Yuan & Marco Polo. Ancona (Grk) elbow, refers to port harbor with long quay.

DDeden said...

From - Today, 1:06 PM

Towards new paradigms: multiple pathways for the Arabian Neolithic

The shell middens of Las Bela coast and the Indus delta (Arabian Sea, Pakistan) (pages 9–14)

Thoughts on nomadism in Middle Holocene Oman (pages 15–27)

Back to Fasad… and the PPNB controversy. Questioning a Levantine origin for Arabian Early Holocene projectile points technology (pages 28–36)

Considering marine transgression as a mechanism for enforced migration and the littoral Gulf ʿUbaid phenomenon (pages 37–43)

Neolithic settlement of the eastern Yemen Plateau: an exploration of locational choice and land use (pages 44–50)

Khamseen rock shelter and the Late Palaeolithic-Neolithic transition in Dhofar (pages 51–58)

Considering the Arabian Neolithic through a reconstitution of interregional obsidian distribution patterns in the region (pages 59–67)

The Neolithic in Arabia: a view from the south (pages 68–72)

Neolithic material cultures of Oman and the Gulf seashores from 5500–4500 BCE (pages 73–78)

Soft hammerstone percussion use in bidirectional blade-tool production at Acila 36 and in bifacial knapping at Shagra (Qatar)

Understanding the evolution of the Holocene Pluvial Phase and its impact on Neolithic populations in south-east Arabia (pages 87–94)

Tabula rasa or refugia? Using genetic data to assess the peopling of Arabia (pages 95–101)

The Neolithic period in the Central Region of the Emirate of Sharjah (UAE) (pages 102–108)

Hailat Araka and the South Arabian Neolithic (pages 109–117)

DDeden said...

South China pots precede Jomon pots, but first in SE Asia
Croatian fired clay figures preceded both, but no pots there...idols/dolls?

1st pots were from punt poles (sticks used as spears, walking/wading sticks, coracle punt poles) used to poke coals (& to burn wet/greenwood faster), because the tips burned, they were poked in water/mud/clay first, this produced a poker=bottle (b=p, k=t, r=l) which if left in the fire would burn the wooden pole but leave the clay bottle. Once this was understood, fired pots of coiled clay (wrapped/draped/robed/corona/crown), firmed by hand then with piece of flat wood (tapa/blade/paddle/spatula used also to scrape shellfish off rocks).

... presence of ochre/hematite/iron o(ch)re in the clay produced colors and extremely thin layer of iron metal/glaze. This simple activity over numerous generations evolved into ceramic crafts and then metallurgy, and the sap in the clay-covered poker cooked (without oxygen) to make/bake a super-glue used to haft weapons, a primitive reduction furnace.

Later punt poles (with rope loop hanging from end) were used to leash/lasso swimming dogs/horses, then from horseback

oldest DNA: Mbo people of Cameroon
oldest coracles: Champa/Kampot SEAsia
oldest domestic dog: Phu Quoc Island, Vietnam/Cambodia
oldest domestic horse: Khampa Tibet & Botai Khazakstan
Fire lighter in Hebrew: Shamash
Sun symbol in Sumeria: Shamash

Shambotlaya/Cambodia, Champa/Cha(mp)an(Jomon=Japan)
Bambuti/Congo, Twa/Botswana

punt = pont = bridge (pope = pontifex) = breech
pygmies wear only fig-bark breechclaut/loincloth/tapa,
tapa-tapa -> (ta)pant/apa - pants, pantaloon, also punt/pound
in pygmy Mbuti, apa is fire, indicating fire is related to fig bark tapping

DDeden said...

Xilé(N)=little seat of the Pole (Tl) = sleigh, slough(slouch), (mother's lap? mountain pass?)

possibly linked to xam/himb/(xlimb)

DDeden said...

xambotlaia: food gathering
jambalaya cajun/creole dish

sambalaya(Sri Lanka)/sambal belacan(Malay):

sambo's: southern restaurant Miami
shambhala: Buddhist
Jambo: African homely greeting

DDeden said...

jamboree: noisy rally-gathering fest
jubilee: cyclic debt pardon/fest
jubilee (n.) late 14c., in the Old Testament sense, from Old French jubileu "jubille; anniversary; rejoicing," from Late Latin jubilaeus "the jubilee year," originally an adjective, "of the jubilee," altered (by association with Latin jubilare "to shout with joy") from Greek iabelaios, from iobelos, from Hebrew yobhel "jubilee," formerly "a trumpet, ram's horn," literally "ram."
jamuan/kenduri: gather fest (Malay)
bersama(Malay) gather, together
molimo -Mbuti trumpet, fest call
shaman ("kam")
shamash(menorah lighter)
shamash(Sumer god/sun/justice)
panas(Malay) hot
panas(Hebrew) torch

corroboree, a term corrupted by the European settlers of Australia from the Aboriginal word caribberie meaning a ceremonial meeting of Aboriginals involving singing and dancing.

DDeden said...

ayyal (hex tipi of Altai tribe)

DDeden said...

re sunduki/saluki..chi/ki = earth
...sima(OE)=sime(OSaxon)=simo(ONorse)=rope, found in Charles Bucks Indo- Euro Roots,=sima(Finnish Bear Ceremony)=mead=mëd(Russile)=miel(sp)= melassa(sp)=melt(E)=metl(Nauatl)=Century Maguey Plant(Amerinda)= meya/omex(N)=flow,=(m)eya=eye(E)=me(Japanese)=eye(E); bud, blossom,= cima(sp)=top, peak, encima de(sp)=on top of,=c(r)in(sp)=mane of horse,= c(r)ime/c(l)ime(E)=lit., the hand/-maon top/ci/chi(N)=chi(J)=earth,= Chi-na=tlalchi(Nauatl)=on earth/land. cima(N)=comb out a penca of maguey/ Metl(N)=Metis(First Deity of Wisdom)for rope=rap=r/tlapa(N). in Japanese, rope=nawa=Nauatl(N)=first language
(tletl nexus)

DDeden said...

sepaktali/sepakraga/sipa/cipactli/tekpatl/tectec mountains/pat/patl/bat/beat/pealbell || relate to pukul/punch/punt/pochre/ochre(iron foil from clayed-glazed tip of poker)
Acatl(N/13 Tona)=Cane(E), Sceptre(E)=Cipactli(N/1 Tona)=same quadrant as Acatl= 13 by 4=1(dividend determines quadrant)=Cipactli=1. ...Tecpatl(N/18 Tona year bearer)=flint knapping/arrow/knife/flint, direction north/Mictlampa(N)=death side, color black/white,=tekagen(J)= a knack,=tekazu(J)=deliver many punches,=tekichu(J)=hit the mark, true, right, strike home,=tekidan(J)=grenade; enemy's bullets,=tekigi(J)= suitable/fit/proper,=tekihyo(J)=be to the point,=tekiji(J)=a timely hit,=tekizu(J)=wound, -zu(J)/zo(N)=bleed,=tekken(J)=fist,=tekki(J)=enemy plane; ironware(monger)/hardware,=tekko(J)=iron and steel,=teko(J)=lever.

DDeden said...

fraction/faction/ratio/ration out/

[tali-2 line intertwined as cord]tale/taler/tolarne/snukker/spreche/spaach/speech/bichara/

DDeden said...

Sunduki ~ Sendok(ladel=sudu/spoon)/Ndoki(swamp congo)/Suaq(swamp sumatra)/Swatluki/saluki/plandok(antelope)/sindula(chevrotain)/kudu(antelope)

ki/hi = smokey/misty
ki/chi = earth, land (shore?)

DDeden said...

Tonal-Amaterasu ...continuing with Toshi(J)=Tochtli(N/8 Tona year bearer), in the southern grain quadrant=toso(J)=toast/roast(E) of spiced saki(rice grain), one finds Acatl(N/13 Tona year bearer), in the eastern quadrant=Tlauizlampa(N) =dawn lamp(E), color red/sun Tona=aka(J)=red/crimson,=akabudoshu(J)=red wine,=akachan(J)=baby/just born,=akagane(J)=copper,=akane(J)=(Bengal)madder; a red eastern sky,=akaranpu(J)=red lamp,=akari(J)=light/lamp/glow,=akebono=dawn/daybreak. Acatl(N/13 Tona)=Cane(E), Sceptre(E)=Cipactli(N/1 Tona)=same quadrant as Acatl= 13 by 4=1(dividend determines quadrant)=Cipactli=1. ...Tecpatl(N/18 Tona year bearer)=flint knapping/arrow/knife/flint, direction north/Mictlampa(N)=death side, color black/white,=tekagen(J)= a knack,=tekazu(J)=deliver many punches,=tekichu(J)=hit the mark, true, right, strike home,=tekidan(J)=grenade; enemy's bullets,=tekigi(J)= suitable/fit/proper,=tekihyo(J)=be to the point,=tekiji(J)=a timely hit,=tekizu(J)=wound, -zu(J)/zo(N)=bleed,=tekken(J)=fist,=tekki(J)=enemy plane; ironware(monger)/hardware,=tekko(J)=iron and steel,=teko(J)=lever (tletl)

DDeden said...

Pariarch age = Amarna age (Egypt)
The original intent in the mid-14th century BCE was “Asenath” = aSA nTr = ‘$ NT = “Fertile [thanks to] God”, with aSA nTr coming straight out of lines 48 and 49 of Akhenaten’s Great Hymn. But from the late 7th century BCE until the present day, that Amarna Age name has been neutered into supposedly being a 7th century BCE format name with innocuous 7th century BCE content: “Belonging to God”. The deliberate reason for that consistent neutering of this name, and for the deliberate neutering of Joseph’s Egyptian name and the name “Potipherah” as well, was precisely to avoid any connection to the reviled Amarna Age.(HoM JS)

DDeden said...

Joseph’s Egyptian wife, Asenath
At the beginning of lines 48 and 49 of the Great Hymn we see aSA …nTr [where lower case a is Egyptian aleph, capital S is Egyptian shin/$, and capital A is Egyptian aleph]. The original cuneiform signs were likely A - $A - NA - TE. From the name pa-xa-na-te in the Amarna Letters, we know that the final R in nTr was silent by New Kingdom times That fits the character of Joseph’s wife perfectly, as she bears Joseph two fine sons before the Hebrews move to Egypt, and per Genesis 48: 6 many more fine sons thereafter. Joseph’s Egyptian wife was aSA/fertile, thanks to nTr/God: aSA nTr – ‘$ NT = “Asenath”.

DDeden said...

shinto tsintli ashante saint

DDeden said...

long-stemmed cup (Chinese) gu
round fish net (Chinese) gu
cf gulu/kwelo/kupho/cuppa/teba

The term lacquer originates from the Sanskrit word laksha (लक्ष) meaning "one hundred thousand", which was used for both the Lac insect (because of their enormous number) and the scarlet resinous secretion it produces that was used as wood finish in ancient India and neighbouring areas.[1] In terms of modern products, lac-based finishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer refers to other polymers dissolved in volatile organic compounds (VOCs), such as nitrocellulose, and later acrylic compounds dissolved in lacquer thinner, a mixture of several solvents typically containing butyl acetate and xylene or toluene. While both lacquer and shellac are traditional finishes, lacquer is more durable than shellac.
The archaic French word lacre "a kind of sealing wax", from Portuguese lacre, unexplained variant of lacca "resinous substance", from Arabic lakk, from Persian lak, the verb lac meaning "to cover or coat with laqueur".[2] The root of the word is the Sanskrit word laksha (लक्ष) meaning "one hundred thousand", which was used for both the Lac insect (because of their enormous number) and the scarlet resinous secretion it produces that was used as wood finish in ancient India and neighbouring areas.[1][3] Lac resin was once imported in sizeable quantity into Europe from India along with Eastern woods.[4][5] The modern Hindustani word lakh (लाख, لاکھ), meaning "hundred thousand
prehistoric lacquerwares have been unearthed in China dating back to the Neolithic period and objects with lacquer coating in Japan from the late Jōmon period.[7] The earliest extant lacquer object, a red wooden bowl,[8] was unearthed at a Hemudu culture (ca. 5000-4500 BCE) site in China

DDeden said...

These lacquers produce very hard, durable finishes that are both beautiful and very resistant to damage by water, acid, alkali or abrasion. The active ingredient of the resin is urushiol, a mixture of various phenols suspended in water, plus a few proteins. The resin is derived from a tree indigenous to China, species Toxicodendron vernicifluum, commonly known as the Lacquer Tree.
The process of lacquer application in India is different from that which is followed in China and Japan.[citation needed] There are two types of lacquer: one obtained from the T. vernicifluum tree and the other from an insect. In India the insect lac was once used from which a red dye was first extracted, later what was left of the insect was a grease that was used for lacquering objects. The fresh resin from the T. vernicifluum trees causes urushiol-induced contact dermatitis and great care is required in its use. The Chinese treated the allergic reaction with shell-fish

DDeden said...

Raw lacquer can be "coloured" by the addition of small amounts of iron oxides, giving red or black depending on the oxide. There is some evidence that its use is even older than 8,000 years from archaeological digs in China. Later, pigments were added to make colours. It is used not only as a finish, but mixed with ground fired and unfired clays applied to a mould with layers of hemp cloth, it can produce objects without need for another core like wood. The process is called "kanshitsu" in Japan. Advanced decorative techniques using additional materials such as gold and silver powders and flakes ("makie") were refined to very high standards in Japan also after having been introduced from China. In the lacquering of the Chinese musical instrument, the guqin, the lacquer is mixed with deer horn powder (or ceramic powder) to give it more strength so it can stand up to the fingering.

DDeden said...

The prefix "gu-" (meaning "ancient") was later added for clarification. Thus, the instrument is called "guqin" today (a zither)

DDeden said...

Lacquers using acrylic resin, a synthetic polymer, were developed in the 1950s. Acrylic resin is colourless, transparent thermoplastic, obtained by the polymerization of derivatives of acrylic acid. Acrylic is also used in enamel paints, which have the advantage of not needing to be buffed to obtain a shine. Enamels, however, are slow drying. The advantage of acrylic lacquer is its exceptionally fast drying time. The use of lacquers in automobile finishes was discontinued when tougher, more durable, weather- and chemical-resistant two-component polyurethane coatings were developed. The system usually consists of a primer, colour coat and clear topcoat, commonly known as clear coat finishes.

Varnish is a transparent, hard, protective finish or film primarily used in wood finishing but also for other materials. Varnish is traditionally a combination of a drying oil, a resin, and a thinner or solvent. Varnish finishes are usually glossy but may be designed to produce satin or semi-gloss sheens by the addition of "flatting" agents. Varnish has little or no colour, is transparent, and has no added pigment, as opposed to paints or wood stains, which contain pigment and generally range from opaque to translucent.

DDeden said...

The Grammar of Udihe (Russia, Utari?) has never stated that Plural marking occurs with “human nouns” only, furthermore, it has many examples that illustrate the opposite: oño-ziga ‘letters’, tege-ziga ‘gowns’, in’ei-ziga ‘dogs’, tukca-ziga ‘hares’

"It seems a mite strong to give Eastern Ojibwa /l/ as historical /l/ merged with /n/ quite some time ago." DB

xyambuatlaya = homeland
-skaya(Rus) = tlaya
cham/pa = kham/pa = Siam/Thai(m)
xya/malaya, brahma, iabrahiam

DDeden said...

8, Arabic..Tamania = T--mn

8, Hebrew..Shemone = SH--mn

Tsh, Tz, Tch, dj, X, etc.

8, Egyptian..Khemannu= Kh--mn

The number 8 has always been the number 8, no matter the time period. Clearly the difference in the tongues is the initial "tsadi" figure. (HoM)

DDeden said...

Again, you do not understand Egyptian, /Dd/ ("speaks/says") is pronounced roughly as 'Zjed', with a /D/ having the quality of /z/ combined with a soft /j/. However, it never has been the same vocalisation as the tsade.

What you have to understand is intercultural communication in ancient times: people approximated sounds of other languages, as near as possible, to their own but never achieved a total 1:1 correspondence.

This is seen clearly, for example, in the rendering of Amenhotep's throne name, /Nb-mAat-ra/, "Ra is the Lord of Ma'at", which is pronounced in Akkadian as "Nib-mu-huru-riya," because that was as close as possible for Akkadian to render the Egyptian name.

So, one culture's language will never translate directly into another culture's language. So, the sounds /Dd/ and tsade are similar, but not (and never will be) exact, so please quit trying to say that Schulman, Redford, etc. don't know what they are talking about, and that it's "impossible."

It is thoroughly possible, especially when you consider (as Schulman does) that the other names in the story (Asenath = /ns-N.t/ and Potipara = /pA-di(w)-pA-Ra/ "the one whom the Sungod Re has given") are known as regularly used ONLY during the first millennium BCE.

Thus, what Schulman is saying, and which you have not understood (apparently), is that the name of Dd-NN-iw.f-anx does not exist during the Amarna period: it doesn't come into use for the Hebrew writer to even consider using Dd-NN-iw.f-anx as a name for Joseph until the first millennium BCE, which means this is not a name contemporaneous with the Amarna period.

As I have shown, it is possible be that /Dd/ = tsade, based upon one culture's interpreting another culture's language.

(HoM KG)

DDeden said...

Carlos likes reversals (chachi -> chicha) I seldom accept them as valid, too much wishful thinking.
I suspect that cloak links to shawl/caul, clock links to bell (Malay pukul = beat/peal) and also perhaps to clogging/clipclop, while cloaca is tube that snakes & clogs.

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domingo, 23 de junio de 2013

...cloke/cloque(OFr)=cloche(Fr)=1.bell,2.cloak,=ciocca(Ital)=choca(Port)=cow bell,=choca(Nauatl)=cry, e.g., choca=cacho(reversal)=c/gacho(Japanese)=ga(n)so(sp)=ga(n)der/goose(E)=gacho(sp)=slouch,=gauche(Fr)=crooked, clumsy,=gauchir(Fr/verb)=warp=ch/ho(n)ca=honk(E). but cloak(E)/cloaca(E/sp)=sewer, divides differently,= c(l)oa ca=coa-tl ca=Coatl(N/5 Tonalamatl)ca(N)=snake/c(l)oa ca/being, note: the 2d skin of snake=snaka(OE)= nacatl(N)=knack(E)/snack(E). ...coaca/ocoacatca(N)=to be invited for lunch/dinner,=coax(E).