Monday, January 21, 2008


Where does language come from? Why don't apes talk, if they are genetically so similar to humans?

Our 2ma-.5ma ancestors lived along shores, they progressed from simple calls and gestures to words and languages. Here are clues:

Ural<- Ura (ore, quarry, source, Ur) mountain
Altaic <- al-tek? (Ur-al-tek?) mountain
Aztec <- az-tek? lakes, hills?
Toltec <- tol-tek mountain

Ukraine <- ochreyn ochre-crayon-clay rich moist soils (strongly suspect Hs settled the low riparian Ukraine plains w/ dugouts)

Chippewa/Ojibwe <- chip-wa <-tek-wa riparian
Ottawa <- ahkt-wa riparian

to the more obvious links to the pre-historic past through language:

oct-ahkt-hawk-hatchet-hammer (stone axe on hollow log)
ket-kit/set-(group of paint/powder/toolkit)
ket-sketch with stick/stone/ochre (ground clay writing)
keyt-skate-kaolin-clay-(Sumerian writing on clay tablets)
kleyt-clay, ochre (hammer ground) crayon (wax/grease/oil mix)
peyt-paste, paint, powder, petro (fat rock), bed(rock), beach
peyt-bait-trap in body of fish on beach, bet (chance?)
keyv-cave-cavern-carve (soft stone)-quarry (hard stone), karst
ahkt-ock-rock (English stone)
ahkt-aht-batu (Malay stone)
wata-wet-wed (throw conf-etti/splashing)
market-merchand-samarkand-open water shares (trade) wares fairs
ket-cut-gut-goods shared
tek-trek/tred (walk to quarry), trade/train/terrain
tekcheyn-exchange?? vows, barter(boater?), tax,

The Ket people of the Altai mountains are the closest kin
to the original Amerindians. Tek flipped is ket, indicating stone
tools and cutting. Note the word tomahawk, a handled stone-axe,
includes the sound ~ahwk, likely derived from original oct/ahkt. I
don't know the meaning of tomah~, but there is a town in Wisconsin of
that name which originated from Ojibwe/Chippewa Indian language AFAIK.
I've no doubt that the earliest AmerIndians had watercraft, not heavy
wooden dugouts but rather lightweight ribbed portables. In Africa and
southern Asia, crocs/hippos required strong dugouts, but in Eurasia
lightweight ribbed craft were faster and easier to steer in streams
and to paddle upstream to smaller steeper creeks. So Amerindians
already had experience in these vessels. Eskimo names for ribbed skin
boats: umiak and kayak, both include ~ahk, again derived from the
stone hammer-axe, but lost the wa~ and added a prefix, and no longer
used log dugouts. The Chippewa adopted ribbed birch-bark canoes, I
don't know the canoe name. The tribal name of the forest/river
dwelling Ojibwe/Chippewa may derive from chip/tek wood and stone
working ancestors of Eurasian hilly forests/streams. I can only think
that when Beringia was above sea level, it must have had some forests.

Processing stone/wood/meat:
Tek<->tendon?<->o-raw-hide? (uncooked)
Tek<->took?<->hook?<->crook? (take the bait)
Tek<->ket<->knet<->knit<->knot (cut/tie fibers)

knapping a hand-axe / bait-trap means chipping off tets (irregular),
stone knife blades, (like a nose), are irregular tetrahedrons.
So the word 'tet', source of tetrahedron, is ancient too.

name of orig. core/manuport: 'ora' /ore/core/ura/ora/aura/raw (uncut/uncooked)
name of process: 'tek' /check/tick/flake/
name of chips: 'tet' /chip/flek/spec
name of finished bait-trap: 'gen' /gen-/gin-/gem
name of the hammer-stone: 'ahkt' or 'ahx' /axe/adze

Where oct- came from. It exists in Greek (oct) and Sanskrit (aaht). It has a sort of hollow sound (aaoo) as opposed to the sound of pebbles tikking together. My guess is that it was the name of the pounding hammer-stone used for the chipping, also used to describe drumming
hollow logs. A hollow tubular stem (bamboo, crane bone, kudu horn, conch shell) blown through with pinched lips produces only octaves so the word oct/axe was used for hammering and for the natural octaves. The later words axle and axial derived from hollow tubular cylinders like hollow tree stems used in early dugout canoes, found rotting inside-out at waterside, bending towards the
open water and sun. A stone adze/axe and fire were used later to produce a better streamlined watercraft, and then solid straight tree stems were preferred for the lightest unleakiest vessels.

Since the oldest PIE (Proto-Indo-European) name for water is akwa, I'm thinking that water was earlier called wawa or wata during daily diving, and that once dugouts were used, akwa actually was ahkt-wata meant "action in/of water" where act derived from the motion of the hammer-axe. A boat flipped is a tub and vv, in German boat is boot which flipped is toob or tube, boating in water was shortened to akwa, eventually used for any water-related activities/things once
Homo stopped daily diving and become dependent on boats and technology. PIE has no word for tidal surf (they used the 'mar' in coastal marine instead for inland riparian marshes, mires, moors,
markets, merchant), so likely it developed along the Black/Caspian seas and rivers/lakes of the Russian/Ukrainean plains, where there was no tide but there was snow, wheat and lions.

from tek to other words is a very small step "I tap the top of the typewriter keys with the tip of my finger". That sentence has 5 individual derivations from tek.

top (Sanskrit topi = hat), flipped becomes pot or bot-tom
tip, flipped becomes pit
tap, flipped becomes pat on the back
tep, now extinct, was root of step
tape, adhesive
Top-ic, iso-topic, iso-tope, iso-tropic, iso-trophic?
flip, from tip to flip/fly/flew/flutter/flow/flour/FLUID

then tube (hollow cylinder, tuba), flipped becomes boot (car trunk) tub, tab, etc.

Is there a dictionary based on these ancient roots, rather than on alphabetic order (which is much more recent) or pure phonetics?

ora = pre-chipped core or manuport
gen = hand-axe/bait-trap/clam
tek = chip from core

or-gan = whole (heart) core
Ur ~ ora ~ (See my Sumerian trading post scenario)

Conjecture: genetic root (gen-e-tic) (see origin of ur also)
original name for the hande-axe (bait trap) ~ gen
original name for the flaking ~ tek
original name for the chips ~ tek + derivatives

gen=general=the whole (can you dig 1/2 a hole?)
tek=special=the part/spec/spark/flek/flake/tack/trac/tach/tech/...

gen is soft & hummy, tek is clicky, in the mouth.

'tek' is derived from the sound of chipping stone/bone/stick
'gen' probably a tropical bivalve mollusc (the original model for the bifacial bait trap).

Tek is now a buried root word, a fossil, alive only in evolved derived forms.
detach has replaced tek in the functional sense. At-tack, at-tach, at-tach`e, abstract, attract detract, distract merging and separating items. There are an enormous variety of words that relate to the coming together and going apart (compression/tension, gravitation/radiation..), scale is part of the reason for different words, another is geographic isolation of languages..
trac-tion: frictional adhesion
derivation of "abstract": This word comes from a German root "tragen" that means "to
drag". In other words, abstract literally means "dragged away from reality."

tesselate? (sanskrit?)

Does 'compound' derive from pounding a simple stone, making many components? take a flake.. tek a flek, compound 'frac-ture' or frac-tion etc...

tek is also used for finger, digit, one in various languages.
I've 'stuck' to English, but I think all languages had a similar root.


Po-e-tic -|- Syn-er-ge-tic -|- Pol-i-tic

[in memory of buckminster fuller, geodesic designer]

"now i know why i don't like politics" by DDeden

pol - tic (tek)

people - separated

the skill in keeping people disunited/distracted,
(easier to make/keep them slaves/serfs that way)
Tyrants are anti-politicans, they force unity.
Politicians are anti-tyrants, dividing unity.
USA is a bifacial clam, a bilateral tyrant
made up of two political shells/parties
which trust each other to competence,
I'm not knocking (tek) politicians,
just don't follow their religion
pick pock tick tock nick knock
spec spark spire pyre fire
first spear was a spire
first gem was a gen
1st shard shared,
1st croc snared
lions scared
un homme

the bait-trap tek culture really was a major league change-up in human pre-history. Before it, language was there but limited to natural objects mom, dad, nana, eat, water, etc. filled with physical gestures and sounds.

sailor-seller (not cellar), seller-dweller, sail-sale
paddler-peddler (not pedestrian)

Why do European languages start their teens at 13, not 11? Because they derived from the Caspian basin Proto-Indo-European nomadic herders.

I see there is a difference in counting systems.

Decimal: (small base) 10, (large base) 100 (Modern, India)
Duodecimal: (small base) 12, (large base) 144 (Niger plateau)
Caspian: (small base) 12, (large base) 120 (PIE Caspian basin)
Sumerian: (small base) 60, (large base) 3600 (Sumerian Traders)

The ancestral European counting system from the Caspian basin counted their knuckles and fingers 120. This allowed them to trade goods at Sumerian trading posts along rivers from Sumer to Moscow, who used the 30/60/360/3600 counting system which is still used in degrees, minutes.

Does anyone know where I can verify the real history of the 12/120-based system? Wikipedia doesn't even mention the herding.
(I think some translation errors snuck in, eg Doggermen probably used 8 x 12 + 4)
Note that 120 is used with heads/herds, 100 with iron.

my words:

The first cattle herding began on the Nigerian plateau and the Caspian plains, a few
plateau Nigerian languages still use the duodecimal system, but in Europe only the vestige of 11, 12 not being -teen, and the presence of dozen in the languages indicate a past use before the decimal system.)

herd = 12 head / kids (kind-herd) / tribes / tributaries Mesopotamian
herders, exported to Levant, Caspian.

A head-count of 12 was counted/divided quickly using the thumbtip
tapping the flesh above the 12 inner knuckles of one hand, dividing by
2, 3, 4, 6 was easy. Continue to higher numbers by folding a finger or
thumb to represent each additional 12, 24, 36, 48, 60, 72, 84, 96,
108, 120 when all digits folded = both hands closed = count-herd-ol =
10 x 12 (hundredfold)

cent<- kent-um = 100 among city folk. (10 x itself)
hundred<- count10 x herd12 = 120 among nomad herders. (10 x 12 knuckles)

The word hundred meant 120 items. from count-herd
The word gross meant 144 items. big/many
The word cent meant 100 items. from kentum
The word count meant 12 items. from kent
The word kent meant 10 items.

herd = 12 head / kids (kind-herd) / tribes / tributaries Mesopotamian herders, exported to Levant, Caspian.

A head-count of 12 was counted/divided quickly using the thumbtip tapping the flesh above the 12 inner knuckles of one hand, dividing by 2, 3, 4, 6 was easy. Continue to higher numbers by folding a finger or thumb to represent each additional 12, 24, 36, 48, 60, 72, 84, 96, 108, 120 when all digits folded = both hands closed = kent-herd-ol = 10 x 12 (hundredfold)

kent-um = 100 among city, port. (10 x itself)
count-herd = 120 among nomad herders. (10 x 12 knuckles)

-ol- fold, wool, roll, scroll, wheel
-ai!- eye, hive, fly, spyre, pain, fire

PIE and IE retained this (China lost it, instead using 10 fingers (no knuckles) and decimal abacus from shells/coins on a string). IE teens start at 13, not 11.

Our later written numerals are based on the Chinese decimal (as did Rome) via India/Arabia numerals which added the 0.

Abraham <- ora-ham (in Chaldean) ora = source, core, origin

Neither Chinese, Eskimos nor Austronesians herded cattle/sheep on open plains, their counting systems differed.

calendrical temporal jitterbug regulate
morality-mythos-taboo jitterbug IKTHYS4MEN
head-count trade-good jitterbug knuckle/digit
icosa-cubocta-octa-tet jitterbug hexapenta
10c 12 oz. weight coin jitterbug cheap metals

A constant bore tube's lowest notes aren't octave intervals.
A conical bore tube's lowest notes may approximate an octave interval.

It is interesting, the bugle frequency ratios 2-3-4-5-6
I'd guess it is actually 1-2-3-4-5-6-12, with the 1-2 gap equal to an octave (if I have inferred correctly).

I am basing this on Buckmister Fuller's "Jitterbug transformation"
where in geometry, there is an overlap between an icosahedron (1-2-3-4-6-12 fold symmetry) and a cuboctahedron (5 fold symmetry)

(note images at right)
"The jitterbug transformation starts with a cuboctahedron and twist contracts it into a regular octahedron with 1/5th the volume, passing through the intermediate icosahedral phase on the way. This latter form of the jitterbug is useful when applied to individual spheres as it shows how they can contract to become between-sphere concave octahedral voids (see 1:1032.00). Fuller uses oscillatory ripplings of such sphere-into-space-into-sphere alternations, the so-called space-filling jitterbug transformation, to suggest new models of omnidirectional energy propagation within the fields of electro- and hydrodynamics."

I believe the same math mechanism was used by Proto-Indo-European herdsmen and Sumerian traders, calculating quantities via knuckles (12 base) and fingers (10 base).

Wikipedia, hundred: "The larger value originated with the Teutonic tribes that invaded England after the Romans departed; their Hundert equalled 120."
The word Teutonic derives at once from both the Latin name for a tribe who were thought by the Romans to be Germanic, die Teutonen, "the Teutons" and, from the Germanic word tiutisch (New High German deutsch = German), originally meaning "belonging to the people".

The Romans identified die Teutonen as a Germanic tribe, and therefore Roman writers began to use the term Teutonicus as a synonym for their existing word for Germanic peoples, Germanicus.

Today many scholars think that die Teutonen were not a Germanic tribe at all, but rather, that they were a Celtic tribe. It has been suggested that Teutone derives from the Celtic word tuath meaning "the people" or "the tribe" (as in the mythical Irish race, the Tuatha de Danaan, the "tribe of Danaan").[citation needed] [1]

Tiutisch is the source of the German word Deutsch, as well as the English word "Dutch". English is considered a Germanic language by linguists.

rind: cattle
kind: children

--- In, Ken Moore wrote:
> DDeden wrote:
> >
> > "a conch shell, a bugle, a didgeroo, and a shoffar (bored out kudu or
> > ram's horn) when blown with pursed lips at various air pressures can
> > only produce full octave tones or no tone at all".
> >
> > Would you agree that is accurate?
> >
> No. If constant bore tubes, such as didgeridoos, are blown with pursed
> lips sealed to one end, the interval between the two lowest resonances
> will not be an octave. A shofar may be close to a conical bore, in
> which case its corresponding interval will be near an octave. A bugle
> is designed so that the lowest note is rarely used. It will be
> approximately an octave below the second, but the main object of the
> designer is that notes 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 will be in those frequency
> ratios, giving intervals of a fifth, a fourth, a major third and a minor
> third, typically Bb, F, Bb D, F. (per Ken)

kindred<-kent & herd
hundred<-kent & herd

The addition of 'r' usually indicates separation/torn/sherds/parts/rip/scratch,

While the -um means "times itself" or mirrored
eg. bivalve/bilateral sYMMetry, Mirror, clAM, Multiply, tIMes, Mollusc, centUM, sateM

name of orig. core/manuport: 'or' /ore/core/ura/ora/aura
name of process: 'tek' /check/tick/flake/
name of chips: 'tet' /chip/flek/spec
name of finished bait-trap: 'gen' /gen-/gin-/gem
name of the hammer-stone: 'ahkt' or 'ahx' /axe/adze

Sorry, typo. Khald, not Kald. Derived into Kali, Cailleach, Catholic, Gaelic, Chaldean, Celtic, Baltic, Bog, Basque, Khalidya, Goth, (Thor?) Gott, numerous other IE terms in various locales where IE/Aryan/Celtic/Cultic/Turkmen/German/herdsmen of the Black-Caspian basin and Ukraine-Central Asian plains herded between mountain ranges then settling at well watered sites engaged in trade of dried salmon, flint, salt, herds. Settlements at fertile farmlands and trading posts produced great chiefs (probably Kiev, then King) who employed jesters (gestures) and mimes to assist in language/dialect translation before writing arrived. Later writing put a new overlay, with new names of tribes and homelands.

Cailleach myth
by Karla Morgan
Cailleach is referred to as the "Mother of All" in parts of Scotland. Also known as Scotia, she is depicted as an old hag with the teeth of a wild bear and boar's tusks..She is also known to have created the earth. "With her hammer she alternately splinters [flint, perhaps flanders] mountains,.."

--- In, "DDeden" wrote:
> why does your keyboard start with qwerty? qrt/krt/krst/ktb
> reading, writing, reciting, and a-rith-ma-tic. Education.
> The al quran name begins at the same source as krist/krish, and are
> derived from Assyria/Syria/Urartu/Armenia region. The name of their
> Deity was "Kald", now retained as "God", (not Deus or YHWH or Elohim
> or Allah in English), they were Kaldian aka Celt/Gaul/Chaldean, but
> through time they mixed with others and had different names, now
> Armenian.
> --- In, "Richard Parker"
> wrote:
> >
> > Daoud - you're treading or paddling in very dangerous waters.
> >
> > Krit may be a proto-word for all I know, and may be related to
> > Sans_krit_ and _Kri_shna and s_cript_ure, but it is also very
> > obviously related to _Chri_st.
> >
> > Don't ever suggest anyhing like that in the Bible Belt, or you'll be
> > lynched.
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > --- In, "DDeden"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > RP: Greek may share some root words with Sanskrit, but was not
> > inherited
> > > from it. They both derive from Proto-Indo-European (PIE), an
> > > entirely imaginary language 'reconstructed' from later descendent
> > > languages. PIE, or something very like it, just may have been
> > spoken
> > > by the people who were present when the roots of Indo-European were
> > > being set up, but PIE is an imaginary language, not a real one.
> > >
> > > DD: The sound -krit-/-grik- derived from the sound of scratching a
> > > stick/stone/stylus on stone/clay/leaf, and the later
> > > national/tribal/cultural designations in the title above were
> > merely
> > > local derivations. The modern word "written" had lost the initial
> > k/g,
> > > while the modern word "scripture" has preserved it.
> > >
> > > Once you remove the written word from their ancestors, what were
> > they?
> > > PIE. I guess that both scribe and priest were derived from krit,
> > > (krist = writer, cf artist) (krshna in Hindu). Writers created
> > (krit-d
> > > cf crafted) religions and omni-gods from muddled old memories,
> > while
> > > oratory folktales were retained because they included music and
> > > gesture (jester) not yet available in written (tab) form.
> > > DDeden
> > >
> >

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