Tuesday, March 27, 2012

(Wadi) Umm Ghudan

Sometimes coincidences are spooky.

I was recalling The Road to Ubar, by Nicholas Clappe, on the mysterious disappearance and recent finding of the "Atlantis of the Sands", Iram of Ubar, of the Ad people in the Arabian Desert.

It mentioned the river valley of Umm Ghudan that flowed nearby Ubar, and I think it relates to the river valley of the same name in Jordan, where an ancient turtle was found: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wilsonja/JAW/Publications_files/Zalmout%2605.pdf

Compare images of Melusine and turtle:


DDeden said...

Correction: In Jordan, it is the Wadi Umm Ghudran (note the R), it still might be related to the Ubar wadi.
Interestingly, the locale, east of the Dead Sea not too far from Wadi Dedan (Now Wadi Al Ula valley which links Dedan oasis to Medina/Yathrib), is called Karak (enclosure, dome), in reference to walled village, turtle shell and dome hut.

Etymology.— Karka refers to the Aramaic name for the ancient capital of Moab (which is now
known as Karak), where the holotype was discovered. The Aramaic root krk, means “to enclose” or “to circumference”, which refers literally to the walled city of Karak and can be applied figuratively to the turtle’s enclosure within its shell. The suffix -emys is Greek for turtle. The specific epithet refers to the Arabian Peninsula.
Note that flint was mined in the area, and the turtle was found beneath chert (flint), so turtle fossils or imprints may have been familiar to the people mining & trading it, giving rise to "Melusine".

DDeden said...

Correction: The larger tectonic fault passing through the Iram (Ch'ad ih ram of Ubar/Zufar/Dhofar/Wabar) oasis area gives rise to the Wadi Umm Al Hayt (Mother of life) and Wadi Ghadun (Chad-dun? cf Akkadian/Chadrumait/Hadrumaut).

(I incorrectly spelled both river names in post.)

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Art. XXII.—Notes on Akkadian
Turkish iki, Ostiac ket. \. „ auch and us. Yenessei scheya. Turkish besd. „ atti.
Zyrianian sisim. Turkish aun. „ mun. „ on mun. Names of Metals. Akkadian. >> >>
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Old Akkadian/Capadocia: lim/lum/lam, vowels were obscure, scribes wrote them indifferently with same value. ket/kat/kot


DDeden said...

Zyrianian (Komi) linguistically links to Akadian/Asyrian, so perhaps Ket links to Akkad and Mandan links to Ma'dan?

Trying to see if these post-Chad languages were linked in Cappadocia/Assyria region, then split in all directions:

The pronouns mi, "my," and ti, "thy," are to be found in many living Mongolic
dialects (e.g. the Zyrianian me and te); in Akkadian also they occur as mi and zi.

The Hittites were known to the Assyrians as Chatti, and to the Egyptians as Kheta, and their history has been very fully recovered from the records of the XVIIIth and XIXth Egyptian Dynasties, from the Tell el-Amarna Letters, from Assyrian annals and, quite recently, from copies of letters addressed to Babylonian rulers by the Hittite kings, discovered by Dr. H. Winckler in the ruins of Boghaz-keui ("the town of the pass"), the ancient Pterium in Pontus, East of the river Halys. The earliest known notice (King, Egypt and West Asia, 250) is in the reign of Saamsu-ditana, the last king of the first Babylonian Dynasty, about 2000 BC, when the Hittites marched on the "land of Akkad," or "highlands" North of Mesopotamia.


latonist Magazine: An Exponent of Philosophic Truth, January to ... - Google Books Result
Thomas M. Johnson - 2003 - 700 pages

Akkad. mu, Proto-medic mi, Esthonian and Ostiak ma, Finnic ma, Tcheremis and
Yakut min, Samoied man, Lapp mon, Zyrianian me, Turkic ben

The shock of being conquered by this steppe people would plant the seeds of Russian monasticism, which would in turn play a major role in the conversion of such people as the Finno-Ugrian tribes and the Zyrianians (now known as the Komi (east of Ural forestland), as well as the colonization of the northern regions of Russia (Vernadsky, 379).

DDeden said...

In the 19th century the Kets were mistaken for a Finno-Ugric people, that is, for a tribe of the Khants. ket 'man' (plural deng 'men, people'). The Kets who live on the Kas, Sym and Dubches rivers use the name jugun for themselves. The Russians, who did not much differentiate between the Siberian peoples in the 17th century, called them Ostyak. Later, they became known as the Yenisey-Ostyak.. related to Yugh or Yug, which died in the 1970s, and Pumpokol, Arin and Kot, which became extinct during the 18th and 19th centuries. These languages are thought by some linguists to be related to the North-Caucasian and Sino-Tibetan languages; and by others, such as Edward Vajda, a historical linguist at Western Washington University, to the Na-Dene languages of North America, although the tonal system of Ket is closest to Vietnamese.